Reteltee Talks Guilds
(06/26 23:41:17) Chat.log started…
(06/26 23:41:26) Jeff Lewis: this is exactly the reason it doesn’t get used Kato :D
(06/26 23:41:34) Whilyam: Ready, Reteltee?
(06/26 23:41:39) Reteltee: ok everyon…just one sec
06/26 23:41:50) Sam Byard: we cant get in the classroom
(06/26 23:42:13) Junee: Who’s beeping? O.o
(06/26 23:42:23) Whilyam: Hey guys
(06/26 23:42:27) Whilyam: while we’re waiting
(06/26 23:42:30) Calumon cries
(06/26 23:42:31) Reteltee: Shorah everyone
(06/26 23:42:38) Whilyam: there may be a new DRC person
(06/26 23:42:43) Whilyam: or someone associated with them
(06/26 23:42:47) Whilyam: a JD Barnes
(06/26 23:42:54) Whilyam: Nick’s mentioning him
(06/26 23:43:04) Jeff Lewis: Barnes and Noble?!
(06/26 23:43:05) Whilyam: Sharper hasn’t left yet.
(06/26 23:43:05) Jeff Lewis: :P
(06/26 23:43:23) Whilyam: Barnes is supposedly an anthropology guy
(06/26 23:43:32) Reteltee: i apologize for taking anyone away from Nick
(06/26 23:43:42) Reteltee: but i was charged to report this information asap :)
(06/26 23:43:52) Whilyam: Uh oh… Sharper “hasn’t said goodbye tothe UO hood yet.” :P
(06/26 23:43:58) Calumon is lagged…….
(06/26 23:44:02) Whilyam: Sorry, go ahead Reteltee
(06/26 23:44:08) Jeff Lewis: Calumon can you step away from the door please?
(06/26 23:44:13) Reteltee: heh, no prob Whil
(06/26 23:44:27) Calumon is being lagged….
(06/26 23:44:30) Reteltee: sorry, is that better?
(06/26 23:44:32) Jeff Lewis: meh it didn’t work
(06/26 23:44:51) Jeff Lewis: please Shout Reteltee and everyone else, so that those stuck out here may hear
(06/26 23:45:07) Calumon: /shout please////////
(06/26 23:45:10) Reteltee: so, as most if not all of you know, i just had a meeting with Cate and Marie
(06/26 23:45:29) Whilyam: No need to shout we’re all in hearing range, guys.
(06/26 23:45:39) Jeff Lewis: ok…
(06/26 23:45:44) Reteltee: the subject of this meeting was the restoration of the D’ni Guilds
(06/26 23:45:51) To Whilyam: Ungh do you have to relay? I’m trying to get a relatively clean log
(06/26 23:46:01) Calumon says DOH!
(06/26 23:46:28) Whilyam: Go on…
(06/26 23:46:36) Calumon nods his head
(06/26 23:46:48) Reteltee: the DRC has decided to start, very, very slowly, to implement a Guild structur within the cavern
(06/26 23:46:56) Reteltee: emphasis on very, VERY slowly
(06/26 23:47:10) Reteltee: baby steps, as Cate put it
(06/26 23:48:13) Reteltee: those are the bare facts….however, i can tell you this is something big; first, Cate wouldn’t allow me to chatlog the stuff about the DRC’s plans for the Guilds
(06/26 23:48:49) Reteltee: which is why i only have half a chatlog; i logged the convo up until she point blank told me to stop, or they wouldn’t share any info
(06/26 23:49:14) Lan: so you can’t tell us about that part of the meeting?
(06/26 23:49:23) Jeff Lewis: are you allowed to share the info w/o the log?
(06/26 23:49:25) Reteltee: well, i can tell you what they asked me
(06/26 23:49:25) Whilyam: But this is quite big?
(06/26 23:50:34) Reteltee: they asked me what 5 guilds i felt should be the first to be implemented….and said they would consider my answer
(06/26 23:50:44) Maratanos: you said…?
(06/26 23:50:47) Reteltee: Cate asked me if i was an expert on the Guilds
(06/26 23:51:16) Reteltee: and Cate asked me what the Guilds structure should look like….and said they would consider my answer
(06/26 23:51:30) Whilyam: Are they going to at least try and use the stuff Kal and earthwizard and I started?
(06/26 23:51:57) Reteltee: heh, Earthwizard and i were in on that waay back too…funny
(06/26 23:52:00) Barbarra: Did they say how the guilds would function?
(06/26 23:52:05) Reteltee: sorry, that was an aside Whil
(06/26 23:52:22) Reteltee: so, here’s what info i’m allowed to pass on
(06/26 23:53:12) Reteltee: the DRC is considering the Guilds of Maintainers, Cartographers, Greeters, Helpers, Miners, and Surveyors
(06/26 23:53:23) Reteltee: note, i said CONSIDERING
(06/26 23:53:27) Barbarra: Miners?
(06/26 23:53:46) Kato: er I don’t think there’s too many miners in the community
(06/26 23:53:59) Barbarra: I don’t even have a shovel
(06/26 23:54:04) Kato: I think Guilds of Age Builders and Librarians could easily replace Miners and (something else)
(06/26 23:54:17) Maratanos: guild of WRITERS, you mean
(06/26 23:54:22) j’lyn: historians!
(06/26 23:54:22) Whilyam: Sounds good. Any estimate when we’ll see stuff?
(06/26 23:54:26) Reteltee: I’m just realying what we discussed….the DRC gave me no indication of their opinion of my suggestions
(06/26 23:54:37) Kato: er we call ourselves Age Builders or Age Crafters, heh
(06/26 23:54:46) Kato: what were your suggestions, Ret?
(06/26 23:54:51) Reteltee: No estimates on when….but could be relatively soon
(06/26 23:55:13) Barbarra: But, other than posting on forums, what would guilds do?
(06/26 23:55:31) Reteltee: I suggested Surveyors, Maintainers, Greeters, Catrographers (to map the Ages) and Writers
(06/26 23:55:50) Reteltee: Writers wasn’t…um…possible….yet
(06/26 23:56:21) Reteltee: Yeah, I’d like to elaborate on Writers…but I can’t
(06/26 23:56:33) Kato: bahaha, of course not :)
(06/26 23:57:11) Reteltee: Beyond that, Cate said the DRC are listening to the explorers, and stay tuned because things are happening
(06/26 23:57:15) Barbarra: One guild should be DRC site maintainers.
(06/26 23:57:46) Serephina says hey
(06/26 23:57:51) Reteltee: and that’s about all I know for sure I can say…though I’ll answer any questions as best I can (though the answer in some cases might be “I can’t say” :?
(06/26 23:57:58) Thend beckons you
(06/26 23:58:12) Reteltee: Yes Thend?
(06/26 23:58:12) Barbarra: Who would belong to the guilds, and what would they do?
(06/26 23:58:29) Thend: Hello. Is UO Private atm?
(06/26 23:58:35) Reteltee: Bar; great question, I don’t know what the DRC has planned, but I know what I told them
(06/26 23:58:59) Thend: (I have to go open it)
(06/26 23:59:10) Jeff Lewis: I’ll do it Thend, you stay here
(06/26 23:59:17) Sam Byard: sorry i’m late, I had to log that nick white meeting
(06/26 23:59:26) Thend: Okay Jeff, thanks
(06/26 23:59:37) Kato: And what did you tell them, Retel?
(06/26 23:59:42) Reteltee: I see the Guilds as an opportunity for us to use and ehance our skills, not in an elitest, exclusionary way, but in a collaborative way. What the Bevins are to chat, the Guilds would be to skills
(06/26 23:59:44) j’lyn: more importantly, who would control access to guild membership? Yeah the power mongering worries me
(06/26 23:59:52) Yali: Sorry, I’m clueless as to what the story is with you
(06/27 00:00:06) Yali: What happened? and where?
(06/27 00:00:17) Reteltee: I brought up pwer mongering” (though those weren’t my words, same idea) to Cate and Marie
(06/27 00:00:28) j’lyn: oh good
(06/27 00:00:31) Thend nods his head
(06/27 00:00:44) Thend: More are coming, UO was set to ‘Private’
(06/27 00:01:03) Thend: Brb, still not fixed, bookroom doors out too
(06/27 00:01:13) Thend: Oh, Jeff has it
(06/27 00:01:19) Sam Byard: Ret, will this guild system be implemented with some real in cavern areas for the guilds to congregate
(06/27 00:01:21) Barbarra: yeah, but what skills? What would guilds have the ability to actually do?
(06/27 00:01:25) Reteltee: I mentioned to her that the nature of the Guilds during the D’ni Empire’s height led to corruption….and I told her the explorers deserved something better
(06/27 00:01:37) j’lyn: yes, and can mere avies/humans remain collaborative without becoming controlling?
(06/27 00:01:44) Reteltee: To which she replied “We’ll take that into consideration”
(06/27 00:02:22) Sam Byard: will there be propper guild systems in place, KI lists, guild-only areas
(06/27 00:02:26) Barbarra remembers somthing about a guild hall somewhere
(06/27 00:02:31) Reteltee: As to what the actual structure of the Guilds will look like…well, I have nothing but speculation on that front
(06/27 00:02:33) Sam Byard: or should we be expecting a more simple approach
(06/27 00:02:45) Sam Byard: DRC just snctioning specific guilds
(06/27 00:02:46) Reteltee: It will definitely be simple at first
(06/27 00:03:01) Reteltee: But I don’t know what the structure will actually look like
(06/27 00:03:11) Whilyam: Alright. I need to tend to Er’cana. Shotah
(06/27 00:03:16) Whilyam: shorah*
(06/27 00:03:27) Reteltee: I do know that the DRC is taking this seriously…I expect they’ll think it through
(06/27 00:03:28) j’lyn: did she say the DRC would monitor guild activities?
(06/27 00:03:37) Barbarra: oops, gotta run
(06/27 00:03:37) j’lyn: or something to that effect?
(06/27 00:03:58) Reteltee: J’lyn, she didn’t; however, I’m sure the DRC is monitoring all cavern activity closely, especially now
(06/27 00:04:30) Sam Byard: what i suppose i’m looking for here, is some way of recognising guild members and proper ways of organising the guilds in cavern, withought resorting to websites
(06/27 00:04:33) j’lyn: sure, of course, lol
(06/27 00:04:40) Sam Byard: is this what we are talking about reteltee
(06/27 00:04:44) Reteltee: And I don’t kbnow how this will fit in with the latest from Engberf and Sharper
(06/27 00:05:00) Sam Byard: or are we just looking at some guilds becoming official
(06/27 00:05:08) Reteltee: Sam,this is definintely something in-cavern
(06/27 00:05:19) Kato: Er what is the latest from Engberg and Sharper? “Missing” and “preparing for suicide” is last I heard.
(06/27 00:05:33) Thend: Reteltee, Relayers are here. If you could summarize (again, I know) that would be appreciated, questions after
(06/27 00:05:34) Sam Byard: any indication on what style of organisation this will be
(06/27 00:05:40) Reteltee: It won’t be just DRC sanctioned websites, if the impression I have of Cate’s statements is at all correct
(06/27 00:06:03) Reteltee: Beyond that, I don’t know what the organizational structure will look like…yet
(06/27 00:06:06) Sam Byard: will we be getting a KI update ? will we be getting something else?
(06/27 00:06:09) Sam Byard: ok
(06/27 00:06:38) Reteltee: Sorry Sam, I wish I had better answers for you…and everyone…but the DRC plays close to the vest
(06/27 00:06:38) Sam Byard: wanna update the relayers Ret
(06/27 00:06:46) Sam Byard: before i start grilling you again :)
(06/27 00:06:46) Thend: Reteltee, start from the top, if you don’t mind
(06/27 00:07:01) Thend: Please :)
(06/27 00:07:12) Reteltee: Sure Thend; Sam, if you’d like to get more indepth, we can in a few moments :)
(06/27 00:07:21) Time: (Psst. SOmeone please open the door)
(06/27 00:07:26) ~Ashelbane~: It is open
(06/27 00:07:28) Sam Byard: thats fine
(06/27 00:07:39) ~Ashelbane~: But doors are odd at this point >.>
(06/27 00:07:45) Reteltee: Ok, so to recap; I just finished at meeting with Cate and Marie in the Council Bevin, about min ago
(06/27 00:07:57) Do’Tsahvahn: Could we do a vocal recap?
(06/27 00:08:17) Junee: Please no voice chat or they can’t relay
(06/27 00:08:24) Thend: Relayers?
(06/27 00:08:26) ~Ashelbane~: Also it won’t show up on a log
(06/27 00:08:30) Do’Tsahvahn: They already relayed..
(06/27 00:08:35) ~Ashelbane~: If you are voicechatting
(06/27 00:08:36) From Whilyam in Whilyam’s Ercana: What?
(06/27 00:08:50) Reteltee: The discussion topic was the Resotration of the D’ni Guilds
(06/27 00:09:37) Andrew Eldred: Where is Reteltee?
(06/27 00:09:43) Sam Byard: DRC put emphasis on guilds being developed in “baby steps”
(06/27 00:09:52) Reteltee:
(06/27 00:10:04) Eric Wolfe: Shouldn’t that be a public meeting?
(06/27 00:10:29) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: Reteltee – Emphasis on Guilds taking ‘baby steps’
(06/27 00:10:30) Sam Byard: Ret will be posting a chatlog with the first part of the meeting
(06/27 00:10:50) Eric Wolfe: chatlog?
(06/27 00:10:58) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Cate insisted some chatlog and Guild Restoration process not to be included in chatlog
(06/27 00:11:03) Do’Tsahvahn: What is your opinion on their secret process?
(06/27 00:11:12) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R- Otherwise, chat will be posted without that part
(06/27 00:11:15) Sam Byard: cate demanded he not chatlog the specific info he was giving/shout and that he not repeat some specific aspects/shout cate made it clear that if he wanted to express his opinion that he would have to have to turn the log off
(06/27 00:11:43) Do’Tsahvahn: The things you could not log, could you at leasst tell us what you thought of that part?
(06/27 00:11:44) Thend: Sam you are broadcasting to us
(06/27 00:12:06) Eric Wolfe: Why didn’t they just have a public announcement? That doesn’t make any sense.
(06/27 00:12:10) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Not necessarily a secret process, DRC just plays close to their vest
(06/27 00:12:23) Sam Byard: the truth is that the DRC has played close to the ? and this has been something with cate/shout the perception rit gets is that Cate was serious about this
(06/27 00:12:29) ~Ashelbane~: Hmm…
(06/27 00:12:44) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Perception I get from Cate is she’s very serious about it, not russhing it, but duty to explorers, my understanding
(06/27 00:12:59) Do’Tsahvahn: Thanks
(06/27 00:13:00) ~Ashelbane~: Maybe Cate doesn’t want it to be Marie who announces this?
(06/27 00:13:11) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Really do thinnk the DRC wants to make this a valuable addition to exploring experience
(06/27 00:13:11) Sam Byard: cate does not want to rush into this and they see it as a duty to the exploreres and they want to improve our experience here
(06/27 00:13:36) Sam Byard: Rit has some liberty to talk about non-logged talk however not all of it can be announced
(06/27 00:13:40) Thend: Sam, who are you broadcasting to?
(06/27 00:13:55) Sam Byard: i’m shouting to the whole area
(06/27 00:14:01) Sam Byard: it can be logged
(06/27 00:14:17) Eric Wolfe: I’d prefer they talked to us about this, not through private meetings.
(06/27 00:14:18) Thend: okay, gotcha, thank you :)
(06/27 00:14:26) Sam Byard: cate was specific that it was baby steps and they dont want to hinder the other restoration projects
(06/27 00:14:51) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R- DRC wants to make sure it all fits in with the Restoration. Was asked what Guilds to be an addition
(06/27 00:15:04) Sam Byard: they asked if Rit was an expert in guilds, he said he was familiar but not an expert
(06/27 00:15:14) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – I’ve studied them extensively. Cate asked what structure they should have
(06/27 00:15:36) Sam Byard: cate asked about hwat structure should they have, rit answered that they are a structured environment, there must be a oppurtunity to progress IN the guild as opposed to a bevin
(06/27 00:15:45) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – I think Guild shouldn’t be elitist, just similar interests and goals
(06/27 00:15:58) Sam Byard: there should be abilities to work within the guild and community build within the guild for anyone who wants to join
(06/27 00:16:29) Andrew Eldred: Ret, how were you chosen for this meeting? I’m unfamiliar with the reasons, though I’m not trying to criticize them? ;)
(06/27 00:16:31) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – We could really build on collaboration, like we do with Great Zero, etc. More than just with bevins. Structured to provide direction
(06/27 00:16:32) Do’Tsahvahn: Could you ask to have a Town Hall where we all talk and discuss?
(06/27 00:16:53) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R- Cate says that they will take that into consideration
(06/27 00:17:05) Sam Byard: rit said to cate that it wouold be nice to break the large community structure down into smaller guilds to work collabatorally on more specific projects
(06/27 00:17:37) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Meet, discuss things, (like the D’ni?) but was too far down the line to discuss now Cate kinda said
(06/27 00:17:46) Butch: Reteltee, how did you get pulled into this conversation with Marie and Cate
(06/27 00:17:48) Sam Byard: Question: were any guild names discussed and when are we gonna get the guild hall
(06/27 00:18:23) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – They asked what 5 Guilds, opinion of Guild of greeters, mentioned Helpers, poss. comboing, this is just MY opinion
(06/27 00:18:27) Sam Byard: Ret: He gave his opinion on 5 guild names including guild of greeters and guild of helpers (his own opinion no one elses)
(06/27 00:18:34) Sam Byard: the DRC will take it into consideration
(06/27 00:18:49) Sam Byard: Rit: mentioned the cartographers the maintainers and the writers
(06/27 00:19:05) Sam Byard: (I hope someone is logging this)
(06/27 00:19:14) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – There response, under consideration. Relayers, Cartographers, Surveyors, Mainatiners, Photographers, Writers,…
(06/27 00:19:25) Sam Byard: Rit: gives reasons on his choices of good guild names
(06/27 00:19:33) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Just suggestions
(06/27 00:20:03) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Don’t think we need, like Gehn, to recreate D’ni, just take what we have that’s unique and something new
(06/27 00:20:18) Sam Byard: Rit: I told the DRC that we didn’t need to rebuild the D’ni empire
(06/27 00:20:29) j’lyn: lol
(06/27 00:20:37) Dedstef Bijklo: Shh
(06/27 00:20:39) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Guild of Writers, player-driven, No discouragement or encouragement
(06/27 00:20:46) Kato: ty ret
(06/27 00:20:47) Sam Byard: Rit said: the guild of writers must be player driven and he did present this fact for their consideration
(06/27 00:20:58) Dedstef Bijklo: Yes
(06/27 00:21:01) Butch: The group in Cyan Chat is curious how this meeting came about
(06/27 00:21:07) Thend: what’s their next step?
(06/27 00:21:59) Dedstef Bijklo: 555
(06/27 00:22:15) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Meeting came about at Memorial unveilment with Marie, he asked if she’d discuss possibility with Guild structure, wasn’t at liberty to speak then, asked if they could schedule meeting
(06/27 00:22:25) Sam Byard: Rit: the meeting came about when the memorial was unveiled, rit asked marie about hte possibility of a guild structure, he felt he was brushed off, and asked for a meeting. (Rit continues about his interest in the guild srtucture)
(06/27 00:23:12) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – I’ve been nehind this since Beta, think D’ni guild system very structured and could use something like that, and a driving force behind time in Cavern between other things happening
(06/27 00:23:18) Andrew Eldred: Question, when you can take one, Rit.
(06/27 00:23:18) Butch: Thanks.
(06/27 00:23:52) Sam Byard: Marie gave Rit her KI number and invited him to a meeting with Cate and her
(06/27 00:23:55) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Advocating for a long time, Marie invited him to their Bevin, maybe heard of me before somehow
(06/27 00:24:03) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: me
(06/27 00:24:07) Thend: Me
(06/27 00:24:14) Thend: What is their next step
(06/27 00:24:40) Sam Byard: Rit: next steps, next steps are looking at baby steps foreward, basic implementation of SOMETHING
(06/27 00:24:49) Dedstef Bijklo: me next
(06/27 00:25:05) Captain Jack Harkness: Is there a timeframe?
(06/27 00:25:20) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Next step, something is coming (only thing he is allowed to say), it is something, there will definitely be a structure here soon. Apologize for not being able to tell everything
(06/27 00:25:26) Dedstef Bijklo: Ok
(06/27 00:25:26) Sam Byard: Rit: there will be definately some sort of implementation here soon but Rit is not at liberty to say waht
(06/27 00:25:47) Thend: Who, what?
(06/27 00:25:47) Dedstef Bijklo: Nevermind
(06/27 00:25:48) Sam Byard: (someone getting this log ?)
(06/27 00:25:52) Thend: Ah lol
(06/27 00:25:54) Kato: I am
(06/27 00:25:55) Andrew Eldred: Was there any indication that the guilds will entail some sort of guild specific content? For instance, translations or other small bits of info to brood over between episodes?
(06/27 00:26:03) Dedstef Bijklo: I’m sorry i just forgot mine.
(06/27 00:26:04) Qvist: yes sam
(06/27 00:26:32) Sam Byard: Rit: I dont have anything specific on Andrews question
(06/27 00:26:41) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Don’t have anything specific about what sort of Guild content there will be
(06/27 00:26:41) j’lyn: darn, isn’t working
(06/27 00:26:44) Yali: I want those robes!
(06/27 00:26:46) Andrew Eldred: Cool, thanks regardless!
(06/27 00:27:08) Andrew Eldred: Why am I so cool?
(06/27 00:27:09) j’lyn: yes, can we get the doors fixed?
(06/27 00:27:13) Andrew Eldred shrugs
(06/27 00:27:13) j’lyn: lol
(06/27 00:27:14) Thend: Will they consider any new Guilds?
(06/27 00:27:22) Thend: Besides the ones you mentioned
(06/27 00:27:27) Butch: How long have you been studying the guilds?
(06/27 00:27:43) Sam Byard: Rit: I imagine they will but I dont know
(06/27 00:27:56) Andrew Eldred agrees.
(06/27 00:28:01) To groath in groath’s Ercana: What?
(06/27 00:28:11) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Don’t know if new or not mentioned Guilds will be included. Greeters I think is very helpful
(06/27 00:28:22) Sam Byard: Rit gave his opinion on the GoG as a good group and very helpful
(06/27 00:28:27) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Imagine, but don’t know
(06/27 00:28:28) ghaelen: hmmm
(06/27 00:28:40) ghaelen: well, at least we can hear
(06/27 00:29:10) Sam Byard: Rit mentioned that a reward or official recognition of the GoG would be good, (this was mentioned to the DRC)
(06/27 00:29:34) Sam Byard: RiT: Beyond that I don’t know
(06/27 00:29:35) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Helping other people helps community structure, also can eliminate elitism (referring to Greeters), otherwise, don’t know what DRC has planned
(06/27 00:29:42) rivenraft: when are we going to get a new dance
(06/27 00:29:57) Do’Tsahvahn claps his hands
(06/27 00:29:57) Andrew Eldred: I guess I have another question…
(06/27 00:30:08) rivenraft: my friend want to know
(06/27 00:30:17) Sam Byard: Rit has been studying the guilds for as long as the novels have been out
(06/27 00:30:18) Captain Jack Harkness: Lol, personaly, the fact that the GoG has personal shirts that only they can get are reward enough
(06/27 00:30:25) Sam Byard: and got them as soon as they had come out
(06/27 00:30:27) ghaelen raises her hand from outside the broken door
(06/27 00:30:54) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Been studying Guilds for as long as novels have been out, think structures are very different from other forms of sci-fi out there, very human and relateable, emotionally attractive
(06/27 00:31:13) Sam Byard: sorry everyone i just noticed i called Ret Rit this whole time
(06/27 00:31:25) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Think Book of Tianna Guilds building something together is what it’s all about here, building a new D’ni
(06/27 00:31:45) Andrew Eldred: Although you can’t tell us about some info, on a scale of 1-10, how excited are you about those secret bits?
(06/27 00:31:47) Sam Byard: Ret is passionate about the guild system and is attracted to uru in very many ways because of the very human aspects of uru, including guild structure
(06/27 00:31:49) Qvist wants to ask a question…
(06/27 00:31:56) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Feel very strongly about that and we deserve a chance, Guild structure is one way we can do that
(06/27 00:32:11) Do’Tsahvahn: 13.5!!!
(06/27 00:32:16) Dedstef Bijklo: I give a 12
(06/27 00:32:18) Andrew Eldred: So, they must’ve paid you off.
(06/27 00:32:33) Sonseeharay: I have aquestion : why is that dude standing right in front of you
(06/27 00:32:33) Captain Jack Harkness: Ded, please move
(06/27 00:32:39) Dedstef Bijklo: ret why are you behind me
(06/27 00:32:39) Andrew Eldred: Haha, cool. Awesome stuff.
(06/27 00:32:42) Sam Byard: Ret, is (on a scale of 1-10) excited about an 11.5 about some of the secret info given
(06/27 00:32:47) Qvist: Why exactly 5 guilds? I think it’s not very representative
(06/27 00:32:52) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Secret nits that can’t be revealed are very interesting, at this point, just not repeatable, but apparent and obvious when it comes about but it will be cool
(06/27 00:33:00) Dedstef Bijklo: We are one
(06/27 00:33:21) Sam Byard: Ret, theres probably gonna be a different number than 5 guilds
(06/27 00:33:40) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – 5 may not be final number of Guilds. ‘Baby steps’, may not even be beginning number IMO, wish could tell more, DRC asked me for 5
(06/27 00:33:42) Do’Tsahvahn: Could we ask you what the cool thing is _not_?
(06/27 00:33:49) Thend starts to laugh
(06/27 00:33:54) Delas: Did the DRC give any hints or in your opinion do you believe they are open to Shared Governance of the cavern based on opening up to the guilds topic?
(06/27 00:33:56) Dedstef Bijklo: Lol
(06/27 00:34:05) Do’Tsahvahn: Is is not blue?
(06/27 00:34:29) j’lyn: ummm… there are some people outside…
(06/27 00:34:37) Dedstef Bijklo: I kow
(06/27 00:34:49) Sam Byard: Ret: I brought up Shared governance with the DRC, CAte and MArie were very clear Ret did not speak for the other exploreres
(06/27 00:34:56) Dedstef Bijklo: Ow stop pulling your hand through me!
(06/27 00:35:05) Captain Jack Harkness: Then move ded
(06/27 00:35:11) Sonseeharay: there should not be secret info between explorers at all . Between the Cyan ic I understand
(06/27 00:35:14) j’lyn: ghaelen wants to ask a question, if that’s ok
(06/27 00:35:15) Delas: Oh no, but shared givernance will certainly be an issue
(06/27 00:35:19) Sam Byard: Ded can you let Ret stand on his own
(06/27 00:35:23) Dedstef Bijklo: I cant his hand is torn through me
(06/27 00:35:24) Delas: *governance
(06/27 00:35:25) Dedstef Bijklo: Lol
(06/27 00:35:26) S’eahag: Everyone’s invisible:(
(06/27 00:35:32) Captain Jack Harkness: Grow up and please move
(06/27 00:35:34) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Shared Governance, mentioned it in my Guild vision, says he does not represent all explorers, just his opinions, made that clear, not my place/responsibility, respective of other explorers own personal opinions
(06/27 00:35:36) Dedstef Bijklo: No
(06/27 00:35:59) Songe: attention deficeny syndrome
(06/27 00:36:03) Dedstef Bijklo: You need to grow up and ignore me
(06/27 00:36:17) Kato: Done
(06/27 00:36:24) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Shared Governance, think it fits in with whole Guild structure, democratic, a real voice of people, allowed to speak, think it’d be great. Cate said will take into consideration
(06/27 00:36:30) Sam Byard: i have a question
(06/27 00:36:45) ghaelen: If It’s ok to mention. I study guilds on the surface, and the purpose of a guild is to control access to the education of those skills and of the tools. Ego does create power struggles to continue that control. How would these guilds be any different?
(06/27 00:36:53) Sam Byard: these baby steps, this “secret info” you have been given, are we talking a month, or 6 months ?
(06/27 00:37:11) ghaelen: oh thank you!
(06/27 00:37:16) Sonseeharay: in game the guilds became too power hungry aren’t you afraid that will happen in this instance to
(06/27 00:37:38) Sam Byard: Ret: the time frame has not been defined AT all
(06/27 00:37:39) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – ‘Secret Info’, time frame undefined,no information
(06/27 00:37:55) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Not even ‘secret information’, just don’t know
(06/27 00:37:57) ommadawn:
(06/27 00:38:50) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Guild structure in other MMO’s, allows for collaborative experience, some similarities, main fault, elitism, exclusionism
(06/27 00:38:59) Sam Byard: Ret (in answer to Ghaelen) Ret took this to Cate and MArie: the guild structure in other MMOS allows for a relatively collaborative experience, but wotn work in Uru becasue of our unique environment, and Ret compared this to other environments, and that it led to elitism, and that doesn’t ift uru
(06/27 00:39:05) ghaelen: I would strongly urge caution on the part of the DRC. yes, exclusion and elitism — that is inherent in a “guild”
(06/27 00:39:29) Sam Byard: Ret: Urged that guilds need to be implemented in a new way in Uru
(06/27 00:39:36) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – not categories that fit in Uru, most here waant to be part of something bigger, potential to be far greater, my visioon is D’ni guilds are different
(06/27 00:40:07) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Human nature there is corruption, but we want to do our very best
(06/27 00:40:36) ghaelen: can “we” do it? If “maybe” even, that would be really cool! But, I am concerned about RL “human” nature. We have to accept we are only and mere humans with great potential
(06/27 00:40:37) Sam Byard: Ret: I pointed out that the guilds must be collaborative not exclusive and use the guilds as a jumping off point
(06/27 00:41:08) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Believe we can create something collaborative without being exclusive, strong foundation, as jumping off point to what we can do together, formalized structure, need ‘scaffolding’ to support parts above it, solid, reliable
(06/27 00:41:16) Sam Byard: Ret: pointed out to the drc taht these guilds should be solid to rely on and use as a basis to build on
(06/27 00:41:27) ghaelen: Thank you!
(06/27 00:41:38) Andrew Eldred: Nope, sounds great!
(06/27 00:41:55) Do’Tsahvahn: How did Cate and Maria interact durring the meeting?
(06/27 00:41:58) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: Suggest Guild trappings should be available to all
(06/27 00:41:59) Do’Tsahvahn: Marie*
(06/27 00:42:12) Do’Tsahvahn: Who spoke more?
(06/27 00:42:13) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: Sorry, that was me, hupsa
(06/27 00:42:25) Do’Tsahvahn: Was there any awkwardness, or honesty?
(06/27 00:42:31) Sam Byard: Ret: CAte and Marie DIDN’T interact during the meeting (tone of voice gives impression of tension)
(06/27 00:42:37) Do’Tsahvahn: Hehe
(06/27 00:42:38) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Cate and marie did not interact during meeting
(06/27 00:42:46) Sam Byard: Ret felt awkward in the meeting
(06/27 00:43:15) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – I felt awkward at meeting, never interacted with Cate before
(06/27 00:43:35) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Known only indirectly before, Cate is a force to be reckoned with
(06/27 00:43:41) ommadawn: anyone seeing locked doors -try the egg room, sound goes through walls!
(06/27 00:43:42) Thend: Suggestion-
(06/27 00:44:07) Do’Tsahvahn: I take it there was nothing special to mention about the Council Bevin?
(06/27 00:44:10) Thend: Trappings of Guilds should be available to all, regrdless of if someone is ‘Guilded’ or not
(06/27 00:44:13) Xanos: Do you expect to play a role in the future development of guilds?
(06/27 00:44:13) Sam Byard: Ret: There was an eerie feeling to have a meeting with two individuals that are RUNNING the project, and yet knew me
(06/27 00:44:26) Thend: Just a suggestion
(06/27 00:44:37) Do’Tsahvahn starts to laugh
(06/27 00:44:38) Sam Byard: Ret: there was nothing special about the DRC bevin
(06/27 00:44:38) Top Gun laughs
(06/27 00:44:41) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Council bevin is just like any other
(06/27 00:44:59) Sam Byard: Ret: I am not at liberty to say Xanos
(06/27 00:45:03) Thend wants to ask a question…
(06/27 00:45:15) ghaelen: hi thend!
(06/27 00:45:20) Thend: Suggestion, Guild trappings should be available to all
(06/27 00:45:29) Thend: Not just Guilded explorers
(06/27 00:45:34) Thend: That’s it :)
(06/27 00:45:44) Sam Byard: to butt in thend, why ?
(06/27 00:45:49) Sam Byard: that would defeat the object
(06/27 00:46:00) Thend: To avoid ‘elitism’
(06/27 00:46:02) Thend thanks you very much!
(06/27 00:46:04) Sam Byard: you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between em
(06/27 00:46:49) Thend: in genral, not too much differences and stuff
(06/27 00:46:56) Thend: Or it might seperate us
(06/27 00:47:30) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – will bring up having Guild stuff more available than just to Guilded explorers
(06/27 00:47:37) S’eahag: He’s invisible.
(06/27 00:47:42) Top Gun: Yes, but on the surface, club members can make T-shirts for their members
(06/27 00:48:00) Sam Byard: anythign else to add Ret ?
(06/27 00:48:05) Top Gun: Is it really a problem if you can’t wear a guild t-shirt if you’re not in that guild?
(06/27 00:48:14) Top Gun: (as a simple example)
(06/27 00:48:27) Butch: How are guilds going to not force “one true Explorer organization”
(06/27 00:48:31) Reteltee: I’d love to; i’m a trifle occupied at the moment answering questions
(06/27 00:48:35) Sonseeharay: I am trying to make him behave
(06/27 00:48:36) Kato: No, it’s not. Example: I wear my company hats and t-shirts all the time, and no one but employees and myself can.
(06/27 00:48:46) Sonseeharay: his mother isn’t home to do it
(06/27 00:49:05) Top Gun: Exactly, Kato
(06/27 00:49:16) Thend: I just meant ‘special’ stuff should be on a more limited scale. Not shift the balance of equality as much as possible
(06/27 00:49:55) ghaelen is getting more worried about this guild idea
(06/27 00:50:18) Sonseeharay: so rare to find this kind of person in URU
(06/27 00:50:42) Sam Byard: UO the cavern today surely
(06/27 00:50:49) ghaelen: in the middle ages the guild members got to wear special clothes or “badges”
(06/27 00:50:55) Butch: The the point of the guilds is not to force “one true explorer organization”
(06/27 00:51:12) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Posting chatlog soon, until point where Cate asked to turn it off. UO forums
(06/27 00:51:34) Thend: Will you be holding other meetings to gain mopre expolorer/Guild opinion?
(06/27 00:51:50) Thend: Reteltee, scroll up
(06/27 00:52:03) Thend wants to ask a question…
(06/27 00:52:12) Thend: Scroll up please
(06/27 00:52:13) ghaelen: but those special badges rather made their heads swell….
(06/27 00:52:42) Thend: Will you be holding more meetings to gain explorer/Guild input on this?
(06/27 00:53:02) Top Gun: If a t-shirt makes someone’s head swell, they’re not really worth bothering with, are they? :P
(06/27 00:53:11) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – More meetings to come to gain opinion on this
(06/27 00:53:46) ghaelen: have to bother with them if you have to “play nice” with them to get access to the guild…..
(06/27 00:54:19) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Supportive if exploerers reform my Guild of Guilders to put together a meeting for opinions and questions. Absolutely
(06/27 00:54:32) Top Gun: If that’s the type of guild they were running, I wouldn’t want access in the first place
(06/27 00:54:34) Thend nods his head
(06/27 00:54:45) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Then will take that information to DRC
(06/27 00:54:55) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – Check UO forums
(06/27 00:55:10) ghaelen: yes…. and we hope that although exclusion is inherent in t guild, these wouldn’t be like that
(06/27 00:55:41) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – That’s it, sorry not able to chatlog Cate, it’s true he is not fond of them, please ask questions of me if you want
(06/27 00:55:57) Qvist claps his hands
(06/27 00:56:00) Top Gun claps his hands
(06/27 00:56:02) Kato claps his hands
(06/27 00:56:02) From Thend in Uru Obsession’s Bevin: R – I’m off to Relto to post chat on UO forum, and R&R
(06/27 00:56:05) Thend thanks you very much!
(06/27 00:56:14) Error: Don’t know how to ‘/bigthank’
(06/27 00:56:19) Error: Don’t know how to ‘/thanksbig’
(06/27 00:56:23) Kato thanks you very much!
(06/27 00:56:25) ghaelen: thanks for answering the hard questions!
(06/27 00:56:25) Thend: Well done, Reteltee, and good luck
(06/27 00:56:26) Reteltee thanks you all
(06/27 00:56:30) ghaelen claps
(06/27 00:56:33) Time wonders if his pellets are done cooking…
(06/27 00:56:36) From Adventure Dan in Adventure Dan’s Relto: Shalom
(06/27 00:56:39) From Calumon in Ercana: note if you havent done the age then dont do it….
(06/27 00:56:52) …Chat.log stopped.